Does your ear training session turn into a jam session when you sitting with your instrument when doing exercises from ToneGym?
Mine most of the time: Route VI turns into chord progression exploration, intervalis into something else.😅
Do you share the same experience?

I have a lot of fun doing it like this, otherwise it gets really boring
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Stephen Lindsay
Mar 14, 13:39
Can't say I do. I don't sit at the piano when doing Tonegym. Maybe I should?
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Mark Tomato Alley
Mar 14, 14:35
I barely use the instrument while doing the training, because I want to train... not using anything else but my ear. But yeah, that's really cool that you're doing that on Route VI, it sounds interesting!
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k sh
Mar 06 in ToneGym Cafe
Hello guys hope all is well!
I have a question about numbering or more broad theory.

when people use number like 6-4-1-5, I feel like people always think in Major key. If someone want to think in minor key, they'll use roman numerical like i-V-III-VII'
am I right?
but this is not my main subject sorry. (correct me if I'm wrong tho but I think people who use 6415 are not so strict on theory?)

Anyways, my main question is, what's the pros and cons of think everything in major or why people think in major key always? What I mean is Only when they use Natural minor scale.

Here is the example song. I think the overall song feel is minor/mellow. But it's natural minor so E major/C#minor.
Would you say it's major or minor? if so why? or it doesn't really matter or neither??



Peace out!
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k sh
Mar 13, 21:36
Thank you guys for helping!

@Dima G
I think I’m gradually understanding with some self doubt.lol. So far the direction I’m going is like “after all it doesn’t really matter if it help one or us communicate better. It’s more up to us individually if we feel it major or minor (if it’s natural minor).

@Alex Angelich
Yes I think that’s exactly I was talking about! Nashville/Church numbering.
My background is drum and studying theory now. But I feel like people vary talk in minor numbering when I had church gigs. So I thought “huh. Maybe they just use theory(numbering) only for efficiency and they all try to simplify for best communication?”. If that makes sense..
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Brian Sidebottom
Mar 13, 23:53
I feel like if the key is established, you need not specify whether any of the numbers (6-4-1-5) are major or minor because the key dictates that. If we are in a minor key, the 4, 5, and 1 will all be minor and the 6 will be major. If we are in a major key, the 1,4, 5 will be major and the 6 will be minor. So I think people who use 6-4-1-5 (instead of roman numerals) ARE strict on theory--in that, if they say: we are going to play a 6-4-1-5 in A minor, they don't also need to say with chords are minor/major because they are assuming you know which chords should be minor/major. Ya know what I mean? 😊
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k sh
Mar 14, 08:32
@Brian Sidebottom
Oh wow! You made me noticed how much lazy I've been! I didn't even think about that but you're right!
Then I just watched Tonegym Learning video about minor chords.
And he explained my question I think.

So basically, if it's a minor key, it MUST have Harmonic minor note???
Then basically every mellow/sad songs which only use natural minor scale Are Major key?????

Am I right??
Congrats @Member O0UX0 for winning the Silver Ears Award!
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Good for you!!!
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Colin Aiken
Mar 14, 06:12
Excellent!
Does anyone know what the highest level of Lander is?
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I'm at level 246, it stopped getting harder a while ago. Once it is giving you notes across three octaves, that is as difficult as it gets.
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Jesse Lyons
Mar 13
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Fatih Oruc
Mar 13
SKIBIDI
Has anybody ever had the Continue Training button appear with 0 games left to finish today's workout? Nothing but page refresh happens when I click it.
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It is one's unfulfilled desire to continue training,but the pleasure inevitably ends...
Has anybody figured out the notes of level completed sound in ToneGym?
This sound: https://disk.yandex.ru/d/FtN_SF1aM09vZg
I want to know how success sounds like
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Benjamin Jack
Mar 12
Stacked rolled chords...
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Ninja's low taper fade
Big John went to Azad's akeing body when Ohio came to the low taper fade
Congrats @Jo Dee for winning the Silver Ears Award!
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Terri Winters
Mar 12
Yeah for you!!