Does anyone here know how TPI is calculated? Does anyone know the formula? It's a bit odd, as I've been doing regular workouts since June, I have all games at least above 20 level, most of them above 30lvl and some above 40lvl, and yet I still have 25k TPI and Bronze ears. At the same time with SoundGym, I started about a month ago, I have all games there below 10lvl, and I already have over 60k SPI and Silver Ears. How does it work? It keeps puzzling me to a terrible anxiety
Firstly TPI is exponential, and from a TPI standpoint you are better focusing on a few games at a time.
I have some fresh things I just figured out since I got a pro membership. When I got my golden ears 9 months ago it was mostly through one game, Route IV. I was a little past level 100 when I got golden, and was around 20 in the other 2 free games. I think around 90% of the TPI was from Route IV.
After I went pro last week I was monitoring how much TPI that I got for each passed level. I took Notationist from level 0 to level 120 in three workouts and kept close track of the TPI gains. Up until about level 50 the amount of TPI gain is actually quite limited, (considerably less than a thousand TPI per level) but from level 50 to 120 I gained around another 500,000 TPI
So my recommendation is to choose something more fundamental, such as intervals, interval barks, or sight reading and focus on that, once you reach the red star (end of human-generated levels and algorithm ones begin, usually happens around level 150) start on something a little harder such a chords. If other games show up on your workout, do not worry, you should play them, but your focus really should be on 2 or 3 of the games, if you want TPI quickly. Consistently playing a bunch of the games would be good to get a rounded training quickly, but sometimes it is better to focus on only a few things at a time.
FYI SoundGym's levels are scaled very differently with more SPI sooner but levels get hard really fast, and based on your background some things will be easier.
I've been wondering about the TPI calculation myself. As Benjamin Jack describes it's exponential and you get a lot more for higher levels.
I recently wrote it down to check actually:
With Melody Hunter I got 45 TPI for finishing a level. I guess I was about level 10 there when I wrote it down.
With Departurer I got 9245 (!) TPI. I'm about level 140 there I think.
So the difference is night and day, really. Which also annoys me, since I get a lot more learning out of doing the games where I'm at lower levels. I.e I suck at the Inversionist and have to struggle my way through the levels, but I don't get any points for it. While the departurer is now kind of easy in comparison, but I get a ton of points for doing it more.
From a practical perspective it would also be more beneficial for me to be better at other games than the interval ones now. Recognising intervals above P15 doesn't really feel that useful. While recognising chord progressions, inversions and chords would be a lot better.
Long comment just to say: you're not doing the best thing for your tpi, but it sounds like you're doing the best thing for learning the most.
Thanks for clarifying. Yeah, for now I am trying to do everything, to get more learning, but it's a bit frustrating that TPI keeps implying that I'm practically not progressing. BTW, Inversionist clicked for me just several days ago and turned from insanely hard to surprisingly easy. Instead of figuring out the highest/lowest notes, I'm looking at how bright or dark a chord sounds in relation to the root. E.g., if it's C chord, and it sounds mildly enough, it's very likely root position, as the 1st inversion would either go very dark with two notes being an octave lower, or very bright, as C goes an octave higher. Whereas, say, G chord in the first inversion is as dark as C root position, and veeery bright in its own root position. And 2nd inversion is just between those extremes. And this helps me figuring out inversions regardless of the chords being major, minor, suspended or whatever. Maybe it's a bit of cheating, but I suddenly started gaining levels in Inversionist freakishly easily, when I looked at the inversions this way
I enjoyed Howard Goodall's BBC series The Story of Music as is part of ToneGym's Complete Music course, but #3 of the 6-part series was skipped. I found it here:
It would actually be cool to have a game that focuses on different clefs. Maybe not something that goes as fast as the notationist... But as someone who sight-reads treble clef but has a problem with bass clef, for example, there would be real value in trudging through some bass clef exercises.
The devs keep pointing out this trainer: https://www.tonegym.co/playground/sightreading (not the contest the trainer) But I personally find it boring. It has no motivation to keep playing, no levels to beat, no TPI, and really lacks the charm of the other games here. It is IMHO considerably less useful than just playing the notes on your instrument.
Sorry to be a few days late on this, but I'd like to wish everyone a Happy New Year that is filled with joyous music for the next 365! And then the 365 following, and after that, and so on, etc. 🙂
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