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Irina Panteleeva
Nov 24, 13:29 in ToneGym Cafe
Could someone please help me with understanding the difference between i-ii-V and i-ii-bVI? In minor key V=bVI, isn't it? It is from Route VI level 18 game.
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Iurii Plevako
Nov 24, 14:41
No. bVI is flat 6, eg in the key of C VI is A, and bVI is Ab, whereas V is G.
Speaking of the chord progressions then, if I play i-ii-bVI, which in the key of C would be Cm - Dm - Ab, it sounds very tense and Ab tends to resolve into Gm, and with i - ii - V (Cm - Dm - G) there's more tension towards Cm (or even C)
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Irina Panteleeva
Nov 24, 15:05
Somehow I thought that 'i' refers to the natural minor scale, not the melodic one.
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Iurii Plevako
Nov 25, 08:51
It's not melodic minor either.
The scale degrees are numbered as in Ionian mode. And from there all modes are derived and could be noted down like that.
E.g., when you see something like 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7, you can easily derive that structure from the Ionian 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

Besides, that example couldn't simply be natural minor scale at least since there's ii
Natural minor scale would have ii⁰
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Terri Winters
Nov 24, 12:14
Congratuations! That's a major achievement!
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Colin Aiken
Nov 25, 04:53
Fantastic!
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Nov 24, 16:10 in ToneGym Official
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Nov 24, 16:17
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Terri Winters
Nov 24, 22:58
Way to go -- on to Gold -- congratulations!
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Colin Aiken
Nov 25, 04:53
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ToneGym
Nov 25, 02:54 in Basic Music Theory
Congrats @J LH for completing the 'Music Theory Basics' program!
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Colin Aiken
Nov 25, 04:53
Well done!
Congrats @Ben Krohn-Hansen for winning the Golden Ears Award!
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Colin Aiken
Nov 22
Awesome!
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Congratulations!!!
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Terri Winters
Nov 24, 12:15
Way to go - congratulations!
Hey, does anyone know if there is some kind of tutorial on the Interval Barks training? I have to sing the 'Unison' note so damn long that my voice eventually kind of cracks and then it says I am out of tune. I have also tried to say the word 'Unison' on the right pitch, but that also does nothing. It's probably a stupid question, but I'm new and kinda lost here.

I'm loving the rest of the training so far! :)

It could also be that I need a better mic, instead of my built-in MacBook mic, but the Solfegiator training seems to pick up my voice without issue.
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Liam Wilcock
Nov 23
I also use my in built mic, which is hit and miss. I find that you don't have to sustain the note for long. Try singing it in a short burst and then stop and wait for it to register. Might work?
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To me, solfegiator seems to be much more lenient. Occasionally I had problems with Interval Barks. As Liam Wilcock suggested, I noticed I can stop the note and try again. So I don't need to go out of breath. I usually go laaaa, that's all, and it works.

I also use the internal mic only, I had a MacBook until recent and switched to a Linux laptop. Both work more or less the same. It may help to adjust the sensitivity of the mic. Try recording yourself and see if the sound is strong enough but also that the breath or other surrounding sounds are not too loud. I've also noticed that the tilt seems to matter, when the tool fails to do anything, I try to readjust my or the laptop's position.
How can I lower my level in a given workout type?
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Liam Wilcock
Nov 23
When you enter a game/workout you can select 'change level' I top right corner. You can only go back 10 levels max
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Colin Aiken
Nov 22
Superb!
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Jesse Lyons
Nov 22
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Good for you!!
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Colin Aiken
Nov 23
Fantastic!
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Terri Winters
Nov 23
You did it! Congratulations!
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Congratulations!!
Sorry if this has been asked before, but is there a way to connect MIDI to games like Notationist? I've allowed MIDI input in Chrome but am still not getting an input in the game
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Spencer Moore
Nov 20
1962 so I think I should be good! :D
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Cuantas Vacas
Nov 21
I'd love to see it in action!! 😆
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Jason Blank
Nov 21
Maybe first find a test website to see if that can accept your MIDI. I doubt the problem is with Tonegym, I've used MIDI in the past.
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k sh
Nov 18 in ToneGym Cafe
Hello guys. Hope all is well.
I asked a question in past about ROUTE VI like what's the tip.

Then some people advised me to listen the bass move but I don't think it works.

For example, ii-V-I or IV-V-I.
Both ii and IV share two notes A&F ,key in C for example, and they might play inversion.
Correct?

So here's my actual question.

Ideally, Do you have to be able to tell each chord's function simultaneously? otherwise you can't tell if it's D minor or F Major I think.

I'm asking because be able to tell multiple chords function immediately is pretty hard. Way way harder than chordelius type of training.
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John Huang
Nov 20
You seem to know which notes are the same, so try to focus on what's different. When you make a mistake, you can press the c key on a computer or the button with the scales on the bottom right corner, that allows you to compare the answers.

As for your question, you technically do need to know all the chords before selecting an answer, but you can replay the chord progression by pressing the button with the volume icon.

Since this game is testing your knowledge on chord progressions in a key, it is easier to think of this game as asking you:

What are the chords relative to the key given?

Sure, lowercase letters do mean minor chords, but if you don't understand the relationship between each chord and the tonic chord (key), any other memorisation methods defeat the purpose of the game.

So yes, you do need to know the chords simultaneously... but think of it more as identifying a group of chords rather than three unrelated chords.
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Dima G
Nov 20
I think that exercise should always play the proper bass line, at least at lower levels, not just have a limited amount of items you can do that. You need it to memorize what roots correspond to other notes in all diatonic chords, that's the most important step. Tackling inversions is secondary.

Overall, I think it best to try to sing those chord tones of a chord and try to figure out what they are in a major scale. That way you'll be able to visualize (or pre-hear) chords might better. It's not an easy skill to acquire and one that will take months if not years, but in the end it will result in a much faster intuitive identification of chords. When the route IV plays a 4 chord progression, try to sing a melody of four note over it. Then transcribe this melody and see what major scale chord degree it uses. Then see what chords those might be in. Over time you’ll be able to do that faster and also have an immediate understanding like: “oh, it sounds like I sang a third of a chord, and it’s a sol (5th scale degree), and it also sounds minor so it gotta be a iii chord” etc.

Some people do it purely by the feel of the chord, but I strongly believe that being able to dissect the individual notes is something that will spike up that intuition for the feel of the chord too. It's like a super precise interface through which fast decisions can be made, similar to how we process regular languages.